Erin Claire Jones uses Human Design to help thousands of individuals and companies step into their work and their lives as their truest selves and to their highest potential. Her work as a guide, coach, and speaker has attracted a growing community of over 250,000 people. She’s been featured in Forbes, mindbodygreen, Well&Good, and Nylon; shared her expertise on over 250 podcasts such as Almost30, That’s So Retrograde, Highest Self, and Chatty Broads; and hosted conversations with crowds of hundreds around the world. Erin’s insights are highly sought-after because they make Human Design pragmatic, tangible, accessible – and immediately applicable to everyday life.

I can’t wait to dive into Human Design when it comes to your business with Erin today.

“My experience in working with tens of thousands of people now is that human design is just so useful. It’s a really mystical system and it’s also a really practical system.”

– Erin Claire Jones – Founder of The Human Design Blueprint™ and featured often in Forbes, Allure and Vogue

How did you get to where you are today when it comes to working with human design and offering that as a tool for others?

So I discovered human design very serendipitously. It was not my plan. It was in 2015 and I was at a friend’s gathering in New York City and I sat next to a stranger who read my human design chart and it was like the most confronting, accurate, insightful thing I’d ever heard. And then he actually told me that I was meant to do human design and share human design. It was wild. And he invited me in to studying with him and building a business with him. And so that was how it all began for me.

I knew nothing about business. I was working for a number of different startups, but not in any of the like, you know, strategy positions, more around kind of like community and marketing. And so it was a really interesting beginning to my entrepreneurial journey, because I think that he and I both loved human design. We were so passionate about bringing human design to business. That was the primary focus of our business, but we didn’t know so much about building a business, you know, and so there was, we struggled. And it was also the time where human design was not very well known.

And so I would say the first two years were very fun because I was learning so much, but not very profitable and not very sustainable. And so in 2017, I actually walked away from the business because another opportunity came and it was really compelling. It was helping open this beautiful, big co-working space in New York City. The founder loved human design and he was like so excited to have me there. We had not supported ourselves enough to make it sustainable, so I was like, this is so hard, but I must go. And so I ended up taking this job and it was so devastating in many ways. Cause I felt like I was giving up my human design dreams, but I was not. And I kept studying, you know, and then three months later, my husband was like, Erin, like you failed once, so what? You’ve got to try again. Like, you know, this is like part of the journey. Like you’re not going to get it right the first time you learn so many things.

In January of 2018, I began my own human design practice at the job that I was at. And so I basically negotiated a schedule where I could start seeing clients in the morning and work in the afternoon. And it was amazing because there was no pressure to support myself based on it because I had a job, but then it started growing because there was no pressure. So then I started growing the business organically alongside. My partner was very supportive strategically in helping me really figure out the offerings. And so I did that for about a year until I was making more in human design than the company I was at, and then I left and pursued human design full-time. And I think that like, I just don’t think often enough that we talk about the value sometimes of doing another thing alongside, getting your venture off the ground. And I know it’s not for everybody, but it really was for me, because it really allowed me to just like engage with it in such a more like open way and like letting it become what it was meant to become instead of putting so much pressure on it immediately to support me.

And then when I really had evidence, that’s when I was like, okay, I can go all in. And it’s been an amazing journey since then. I think that a big piece of our business always has been simplicity. I feel like such a pressure these days. I’m like, I’m going to launch this, and then I’m going to launch this. And it’s just not how we’ve done it ever. And it’s been annoying at times because I’m like, I want to do this thing. And it’s just like, it’s not time yet. We talked about doing a human design training and course for readers for five years before we did it.

But it was like, we just don’t do a thing until the moment calls for it and we’re like, now is the time. And so it’s been really amazing and I am a partner who is much smarter about business than me. And I am grateful for that because I think it really allows me to do what I do best, which is to be great at human design.

Yes, oh my gosh, thank you for sharing that. I didn’t realize this till now, but our timelines line up in that I also decided in 2018 to take my side hustle very seriously. I was teaching full-time, and then it was that year. It was the year of growth, and then I quit in 2019 and took it full-time, and I totally agree when you said there’s so much value in holding on to what’s actually gonna support you to allow things to grow without the pressure.

It was, and it was a lot, and it was also like, it was right for me, you know? And again, it’s not going to be right for everybody, but I think there’s a lot of pressure like, oh, it’s not right for you, quit. And like sometimes that’s feasible and sometimes it’s not. And so just really discovering what that is for you. And also, like, I felt like I was really abandoning my dream by taking this job that I talked about, but like that job was the most like catalytic, accelerating opportunity for human design than I could have ever imagined for two years. 100% of my clients came from that space.

And so like, it was just, that was it. Like it was that opportunity provided so many opportunities I could have never imagined, but I just trust it. So it’s also like, we don’t really know what’s coming for us.

Give me like just the Cliff’s Notes version of human design and how we can use it as a tool and then we can get into some of the nitty-gritty.

Of course. So human design is a system based on your time, date and place of birth that reveals your energetic blueprint and how you are uniquely wired to do things, whether it’s how you’re meant to build a business, show up in relationship, communicate, create opportunities, all the things. I think so often we get stuck because we are trying to emulate others or doing what we think we should do. And I think human design is this gigantic permission slip where it’s like, and this is how you’re meant to do things and it might be really different than everyone else. But like, try it, see if it works for you.

My experience in working with tens of thousands of people now is that it’s just so useful, you know, and it’s a really mystical system and it’s also really practical system. And so I think if you’re new to human design and you’re like, this is a little bit weird, it’s based on your time date and place of birth, like I would just encourage you to look yours up and just see if it resonates. You know, I think that I always say for us, like what matters to me is not whether it’s true, but whether it’s useful.

And so just really considering like, does this actually feel like it could be useful in my life and my experience is that it can be so useful for so many people.

when we’re looking at these TYPES when it comes to business and business operations, what are some things that we can pull out of each one or how can we start using it as a tool?

Okay, cool. Okay, so let me start with generators. I’m going to want to hear your thoughts when we get to the manifesting generators. So if you are new to human design and you don’t yet know your type, you can look it up at humandesignblueprint.com. There’s going to be a lot of information there. Don’t worry about it all just yet. Look at the type piece. So we’ve got manifesting generators, projectors, reflectors, and manifestors. So it’s four or five depending on who you talk to. I separate it, but two of them are very similar. So generators, I’ll start with them, are really natural doers. They really have this amazing energy to kind of build, create, and make things happen when there’s a genuine sense of excitement around the thing they’re working on.

And so I would say when it comes to building a business, it’s so important where you can to prioritize your satisfaction and delegate and hand off the pieces that don’t feel satisfying to you. I also wanna acknowledge that when you start a business, it’s inevitable that you’re gonna do some things that you’re not excited by, so I am not arguing that you are meant to be 100% lit up by every single thing you do. But if your satisfaction can be priority or the mindset is not like, I’m going to do it all because I can. It’s like, you know what? Like this piece is really draining when I can. I’m actually going to bring on support because I know the more satisfied I am, the more energy I have, the more magnetic I am, the more I give energy I give to my team. And so I would just take inventory pretty often to kind of check in on that. And I think that.

You’re meant to use up your energy. So really discovering ways in the business to use it up in really satisfying ways. I would also say for generators, you’re not really meant to chase after things, which might be a little bit annoying to hear, but hopefully relieving. You are meant to wait for things to kind of show up in your world and just light up your gut. And when your gut is lit up, it is a signal to go pursue that thing. So when it comes to, you know, exploring a new direction or a new client, I would not do what you think you’re supposed to do. I would do it feels right in your gut and what just shows up. And sometimes it might take you in a really surprising direction.

For manifesting generators, there’s a lot of similarity here in terms of like when you’re really lit up, it gives you more energy, it makes you magnetic, it gives others energy. So I would say for you, it is equally important to prioritize your satisfaction and also to know that you’re meant to kind of let things come to you. The additional pieces I would add is that for manifesting generators, they often are quite multi-passionate. And so they’re not really meant to just stick with one thing forever.

And so I would say it probably is really important to keep your business really interesting and new and exciting and fresh, which means you might have an offering that you’re totally in love with. And then like a month later, you’re like, I’m over this one, I’m launching a new one. Like I’m gonna burn it all down and begin a new one. Like that’s great. You’re meant to keep reinventing yourself. You’re meant to try on things and let go of things. And so giving yourself permission to pivot within the business and also making sure your collaborators know that’s how you work.

And then the last piece I would share for you is that manifesting generators tend to be quite efficient. They can often find the fastest way to make something happen but might skip a few steps along the way. So in an ideal world, I would make sure you’re surrounded by people that can handle the step-by-step process in a way that kind of really frees you up. So you’re gonna move fast in between many things and kind of be in this creative, mad flow and not having to handle every single step along the way. How’s that feel to you?

Yes, oh my gosh. Oh, so many of those things resonate for me. The only one that’s a little off for me is the multi-passionate. I don’t know that I’ve ever felt a multi-passionate entrepreneur, but I do have the trait of that, of the reinventing myself. The story that I always share is like, every time I retitled myself, like side hustler, freelancer, small business owner, business owner, CEO, agency owner, every time I retitled myself, I reinvented my business completely. And like I reinvented how I showed up in my business. So for me that was how that like resonates with me and shows up. And then I know you shared earlier about the first time you had someone read your chart.

**The first time I had someone read my chart, they were like, they said that let things come to you and I’m a Capricorn. And so I’m like, oh wait, wait a minute here. You don’t want me to just like spearhead and go full force, but that’s made a huge difference in business in terms of like, I’m not chasing clients and when I’m not chasing clients, I get more clients, like without fail. And that was a very hard thing to learn because you’re also like, there’s a lot of kind of stereotypes in the business world as you know, like sell, do this, do that. And just by like shifting focus and using my human design in that one way, it allowed me to be more profitable.

When you had your chart read, what was like a standout piece that kind of shifted that for you? Was it even about business or was it personal for that?

I think that the first piece would definitely be around business, which he was… I’m a projector so let me talk about projectors and then talk about what I heard. And also I just want to acknowledge your point because I think it’s a good one is that as a manifesting generator there might be a multi-passionate version of a manifesting generator that’s like I own an agency, I’m also opening a dance studio, I’m also an attorney, that is one version.

But I think for some manifesting generators, it’s not about doing multiple things, but about keeping things really fresh, where they’re probably gonna get bored if they’re doing the same thing for too long, and so they’ve gotta kind of shake it up. And so it doesn’t mean that it’s impossible to find within one job. It’s just that you’re not really meant to be doing the same thing forever, so just kind of keeping it new, ever-evolving, and exciting.

So for projectors, projectors are really natural leaders, guides, advisors, not here to do all the doing. And so as projectors, our energy can really ebb and flow, we’re not meant to consistently produce all day long. And so building in moments of pause and space and rest is really important. And so I would say as an entrepreneur, I think what’s important as a projector is to get really clear on where your gifts are, which is probably gonna have something to do with people, whether it’s guiding people, asking their questions, teaching, mastering a system, and then.

Eventually bring on support for the rest. Of course it might not be available immediately, but just having that in your awareness. I would really encourage you even when it feels hard to create moments to pause during the day. You know, your energy is meant to ebb and flow and often you are meant to like work when the energy is there and rest when it’s not and that can make you so much more effective than just like trying to go, go when like your energy is not there for it. I know this personally deeply well. And then also know that as a projector, you’re here to be invited in.

And so when it comes to seeking out new clients, it might not be around pitching clients, but more about kind of sharing about your interests in a broader way and letting the right people kind of resonate with you and come to you. And so for me, it’s not been about pitching people, but just a bit around visibility, sharing on Instagram or podcasts or newsletters and kind of letting the right people come. So I think that for me, when I first discovered my human design, I think probably what was the most confronting was being told I wasn’t meant to be a doer because I had kind of grown up in the entrepreneurial city in New York City and I was like, I am such a good hustler. You know, I was also 25. So I was like, I can do it, you know? And then I think, but I find with projectors, especially we kind of like fake it until like 30 and then we’re like, whoo, can’t really quite keep this up anymore. And so I think being told that so many of my gifts were really just like in my ability to work with people and see people and ask the right questions was so validating. Cause I knew that I just didn’t have faith that I could build a career.

And so, and I think building, you know, I shared my entrepreneurial journey briefly, but I think that, you know, what has really made a big difference in our business is me releasing the need to do all the other things, you know, to kind of be in the position of being like, I’m really good at working with people, I love working with people, and I don’t need to do all the other things. Because I’m not great at them.

So manifestors, you know, manifestors are great starters. They’re so good at bringing ideas to life. They’re not really meant to keep the idea alive. That’s not really their job. And so in an ideal world, which again, might not be feasible initially, is like they can like get a thing off the ground and then their team can kind of be responsible for keeping that thing alive. Manifestor energy really ebbs and flows and it’s less than a daily level and more kind of like, I mean, honestly, it’s so specific to the manifestor, but like it means that they might have a couple hours, days or weeks where they’re like totally on fire, it’s amazing. And then like days, hours, weeks where they kind of like need a retreat. And so in an ideal world, you could really be on fire and retreat and both are okay. You just kind of keep your team in the loop of where you are. Manifestors need to feel free in business and beyond.

And so really considering how to build a business that allows you to feel free. And maybe that means that you are not the one kind of managing everybody, or maybe that means you’re hiring super independent people that you can just like let them know what needs to happen and trust that like they can handle it. And manifestors finally are here to initiate. And so they’re not meant to wait for anything to come to them. So when it comes to building a business, paying attention to kind of the urges and things that bubble up within them and really follow it.

Final type is a reflector and reflectors are so interesting because they are so sensitive to their physical space. And so one of the best things they can do to stay in alignment is to put themselves in spaces that feel good. So I would make sure that they’re in an office or coworking space that feels good, that they’re in online communities, their city feels good, their home feels good. Like being in the right space kind of just creates the most aligned opportunities for them. There are similar to projectors in some ways in that they just have such a powerful perspective. They just see and sense things that a lot of people miss. And so it’s really good for them to kind of be in environments where their perspective is so valued and so invited in and they can really share it. And so really considering a job that really allows that or a business where they’re surrounded by people that really appreciate that. Their energy can ebb and flow on a monthly basis. So they might have weeks where they feel like a manifesting generator like you or like a projector like me or like a manifestor. And so ideally they can just honor where they are.

Some weeks they can make more happen than anyone else and other weeks they’ll need a retreat. And so ideally they’ll have the support that kind of maintains things in a more consistent way in a way that kind of allows them to honor those ebbs and flows.

Mm, amazing. Okay, and was that all the types? I feel like the reflector is the type I know the least about, but maybe it’s just like, I’ve like, not looked into that as much. Okay, but you said like, with all of these, just honoring where you’re at, your authentic self, like what, I mean, let’s say folks don’t have a team or they’re not quite at the place to divvy out.

How are you guiding people to start to recognize their human design and start to leverage it? What are some things that you have people do for that?

Yeah, I think as a generator or manifesting generator, you know, if you can’t delegate, I would just, I would still make a list and be aware of like, what are the things that really feel satisfying? What are the things that don’t? And I would make sure that you’re doing at least one thing a day that feels deeply satisfying and maybe even start out your day that way because the more satisfied and lit up you are, the more energy you have to do everything else, you know? And, but I think that if you’re like, I am going to have a day where I’m just doing the things that I feel like I need to do, but are exhausting, like it’s going to be so hard to get them done.

So really just knowing that like, again, the more energy you have, it comes from being lit up by what you’re doing. I think with projectors, I think one way to start playing with it is just to kind of build breaks into your day and start to check in with yourself. So instead of being like, I’m gonna work from nine to five, no breaks. It’s like, you know, I’m gonna just like set a check in for myself every hour and a half, every three hours, whatever it is, and just ask myself if I need a break, if I need a rest, if I need to go on a walk or lay down, and like just being able to kind of like honor those ebbs and flows and releasing the need to kind of consistently do can be so good for us as projectors.

As a manifestor, like you are just here to initiate and make the things happen that come to you. And so I would just be curious for you to reflect on whether there are any ideas or impulses or urges you’ve had in the business that you just haven’t followed because you haven’t seen it done that way before. And I would just remind you that like you’re here to do it differently. And so as much as you can being bold in doing that.

And then I would say for reflectors, I would just remind you that the greatest opportunities come when you’re in the right space. So just really reflecting on like, are there spaces that really feel good? Is there a co-working space or an office space or an online community? How can you spend more time there and just trust that clients and partners and collaborators and all that kind of come from being in those spaces?

Okay, amazing. Then I want to talk to you about using human design when you’re hiring because a lot of folks are listening are CEOs and have already have teams or their teams are fluctuating and bringing in and I’m in this phase of hiring again. This is the first time I’ve ever considered bringing in signs and energy types and bringing that into decision making. So I would just love to hear your perspective on that. Have you navigated that?

Do you help people navigate that in terms of building a team that actually functions? And then the second question to that is communicating your own human design to your team. What does that look like?

Yeah, I feel like it’s interesting. I feel like my opinion on this has changed over time. So when I first started sharing human design, my focus was exclusively on how human design can be used in business, because there are parts of human design that really reveal where the gaps are, where you need support. It’s so practical. It’s like, you’re missing this, and therefore all the energy’s gonna flow there, so you need a person that meets this. So I think that, but why I say my opinion has changed is that I think we have to do it really responsibly.

And that I don’t think that we want to be like, I’m going to go find a one free generator to hire. You know what I mean? It’s like, I feel like we need to hire somebody that really feels right and then learn how to work with them. So I guess what I would say is that, I think what’s really useful is as a team for you, looking at where you need the most support. And there are a lot of pieces of your design that are like, you would really benefit from this type, from people with this gait. It’s just like, these are things that really would help balance and like help your team be more effective and like you said just like be more harmonious. So there’s a lot of insight there. But then I also would really, what I would encourage you and other business owners to do is to kind of trust their design and everyone’s different to kind of for you trust your gut to know who feels right. And then to look at their design and know how best to work with them. You know, and so, and then you and then you are given so many practical tools of like how to communicate with them, what kind of meetings they want, like how to like leverage each other.

That’s my belief. I think it’s really good for you to have the awareness of the support you need, but also to kind of trust your gut to know who’s actually right and then decide how to work with them. Because I think like hiring based on like a thing, there’s just like you have to do it so well. And I think that a lot of people will just be like, they’re one three gender or whatever, I’ll take them. And I just don’t think that’s helpful. And it’s also it’s just so I think that it’s I think we have to do it really responsibly. So does that make sense?

Yeah, that makes total sense. Also on the level of like, I don’t know, like I think of it in like the relationships in terms of like a Capricorn and a Leo are never gonna like be in a romantic relationship or like whatever, but I don’t know that necessarily applies when we’re thinking about human design and hiring. Like I think it’s a very different like approach. Plus you would know so much better, but like there’s layers to these types, right?

Yeah. So many layers.

There’s other layers that go into it that provide the whole, you know? So can you expand on that just a little bit just in case folks don’t know, like, you know, because we’ve gone through the basic types.

Yeah, I mean, human design is so unique. Like you’re not gonna have somebody who’s like, oh my God, we have the same design, how cool? Like it just doesn’t work that way, you know? It’s like, there are so many layers. You have your type that speaks out, it’s your energy in the most productive way. There is your strategy, which speaks to how to create opportunities and communicate most effectively. There is your authority, which speaks to how best to make decisions. There’s your definition, which is like how to best work with others. Like, are you somebody who needs to collaborate? Are you somebody who’s like, just like, get out of my way, let me be in my own flow.

There’s your profile that can give you so much juicy information about how best to market yourself, how best to learn, needs you have in relationships. There are channels which speak to your innate strengths, the things that just make you you. And then there are also things called undefined centers that speak to what are your biggest challenges, what are the things that are really probably going to come up pretty often in your life and how can you really navigate them gracefully. And that is honestly just the beginning. I want to also address your question of how best to communicate to a team.

And I think it’s a great one because I think I love team sessions for this reason. Like, I think it’s really useful as a boss, as a CEO, to let your people know how you work best. And I’ve had clients who literally will have like a Google Doc that they’re just like, read, this is how to communicate with me, this is how it works. And you know, or give them each other their blueprints or kind of their human design readings. So I think I would really encourage you to inform people of how you work best so they know how best to work with you.

And I would also take the time to understand how they work best. Because I think it’s such a powerful tool in Teams because as you can imagine, let’s say you’re manifesting generator, you’re meant to be quite fast and effective and you’re really doing to make things happen. Not everyone is that fast or effective. If you expect others to move as fast as you, you’re probably going to be quite disappointed. But if you understand that they have really different gifts they’re bringing to the table, then you’re like, oh, fine. How can I leverage all these? So I couldn’t recommend enough the power of really understanding the people that you work with and really kind of taking the time to let them know how you work best too.

Yes, yes, absolutely. Okay, I wanna pivot just a little bit and dive a little bit into the industry, human design in general. I don’t know if this is true, but this is true in my world and from my perspective, that this has become so much more popular. And I think you kind of mentioned this at the beginning when you shared your story. And for me, it wasn’t something I was even interested in looking into until I reached a point of like, a struggle and a little bit more of an exhaustion point in my business. I was like, wow, some things are just not working overall. Now I stumbled onto tools like this that I think years ago would have been something – When I worked in industry, it would have been laughed out of a room, let’s be real. When I worked in industry, they would have been like, what is that? But now even folks that are still working in industry I’m connected with are pulling in these kinds of tools. So I would just love to know your opinion, your perspective as an expert in this world.

What are you seeing changing in humans that they’re so much more in tune with this? Or is that just my perspective?

No, it’s not. I literally got asked a similar question on the podcast right before this. Yeah, I’m like there’s a theme here. I know um I think that like I will say that when I first started showing human design I felt like nobody cared, you know, and I was like, this is so hard This is such an amazing system. Like it’s just been no one I knew about it. No one I knew cared about it, it was like so fringe. I started to see human design become more interesting to people and awareness grow in 2018.

And then I think in 2020, it really took off and it’s been growing steadily ever since. I think that there could be a lot of reasons and I obviously don’t know anything definitively. I think that one, I think people seem to be less tolerant of doing things the way they’ve always done if they’re not working. And so they seem to be open to new ways of doing things, even if it’s maybe more mystical than they’ve explored before. And I also think another piece is that I think there are a lot of amazing people.

I’m one person who’s sharing human design with a lot of amazing people that I think are speaking about human design in more accessible and empowering ways. Like I think that if human design is communicated in a really dogmatic way, like you are this, you must be this, it just doesn’t feel good. You know, whereas if it’s communicated as like this is an amazing framework, take it or leave it, like then it’s like, oh, like I might not really be in a stuff like this, but like maybe it has something for me so I’m going to listen. And so I think that like my intention in sharing human design over the past nine years is like just increasingly communicating in a way that’s like, I don’t care whether it’s true. I care whether it’s useful, you know, and I find that allows it to reach a much broader audience. And honestly, that’s my orientation. That’s who I’m trying to reach. It’s like, I just like, I think human design, because it is so practical, can actually transcend the mystical spiritual space in so many beautiful ways to reach more people. And I just think it’s being communicated in a way that’s allowing it to reach those people. So I think those are the two things. I think people are less tolerant of doing things the way they’ve always been done. And I feel like there is an increased openness and also it’s been communicated better and a way to reach those people.

Mm, yes. Yeah. And I think if we’re talking about like the workspace in general, we obviously saw a massive shift around the world when the pandemic happened. And also, like there was more space in our lives. Like there wasn’t as much like we weren’t for me and most folks who were at home, it wasn’t as much input. And it was more like, oh, wow, we can actually like think about ourselves a little bit here, not about our 12 coworkers and their drama. What does that look like as human beings and connecting with other human beings, which I think is so beautiful overall, for sure.

Yes, totally. Yeah, it is, it’s true. I feel like so much brood in that time because I felt like there was just people were really like giving a chance to think about things in a deeper way and in a different way.

OK, so when you’re using human design with your clients, I know we’ve talked a lot about work and entrepreneurs, but on the personal level, on the internal level, do you even separate those? Are you like, it’s just all together? It’s a holistic picture? Or do you always keep them kind of separate in terms of how we operate as humans? I’m curious.

I do not compartmentalize them. I think that I feel like when I’m working with people, it’s very responsive to where they’re at, especially when I’m doing readings for people. And also with the Blueprint, it’s so applicable to every area of your life, whether it’s a relationship, whether it’s a business, whether it’s working for a big corporation, whether it’s taking care of your health.

For me, it’s more around giving them the holistic picture and giving them principles that they can use that will be applicable to every part of their lives. I do find what’s useful depending on where they’re at is giving them examples of how it actually can show up. So they’re like, oh, I see how this could show up at work and I see how this could show up here. But there are some areas where I feel like human design is so useful, which is very much work is a big one, relationships is a big one, parenting is a huge one. But it’s pretty universally applicable because it really just helps us understand our operating system and how to work with it and not against it. So, yeah, I don’t tend to separate unless it feels like somebody’s really going through just one thing.

And then on that note of examples, do you have any that you feel like always resonate with folks that you’d like to share today? Like an example of a specific type or a transformation that occurred with you? I always like to hear those.

Yeah, I think that I’ll share one example for my own life. I think that there are so many. I think that one example I found on a more personal level is that as a projector, we’re really here to see people deeply, but also feel really seen in return. And we often really thrive in one-on-one settings. And I was part of quite a big community in my 20s, and I loved it, but I just didn’t have the depth that I was seeking. And I think when I learned my design, I was like, one-on-one settings are really important and like as good as I can be seeing people like I need to feel so seen in return for that to feel reciprocal and energizing and so I really shifted my focus community wise to like big community to just like a few one-on-one relationships and like I don’t know if I would have given myself permission to do that and it’s just been so much more satisfying you know because like I’m just kind of like a lazer with people like I just like find a person like that’s my person we just go really deep and that’s just like how I do it and now I just like I don’t resist that anymore.

I’m just like, this is how I socialize, you know, and this is what feels most natural. And so that has been really wonderful. Um, you know, and there are so many amazing business settings. Like I can’t tell you how many manifesting generators I’ve sat with who have felt like they’re doing too much or they’re really scattered because they’re just like, you know, I was this and then I was this and then I tried this thing. And they’re like, and everyone’s going to put me in a box. And like, I guess I should be in a box. And I’m just like, I don’t think you’re meant to. Like, I think like the more most satisfying thing is actually probably having a very varied and rich career where you are many things.

It’s just amazing to kind of watch them step into that because they can be really superhuman. They can be like okay I will be a DJ, I’m also launching a podcast, I’m also a coach and they’re like I love all these things and they actually all feel important right now and like so it’s been so fun to kind of watch them develop a way of working that feels so much more authentic and it’s often so much more successful for them you know so um it’s I mean honestly the and I think parenting is such a key one you know another manifesting generator example I have is that

I remember sitting with a dad a few years ago and he was a generator and his daughter was a manifesting generator and I remember sitting with him and he was like, Erin, I’m feeling so frustrated. My daughter will not choose just one sport. She’s trying them all. She’s trying basketball. She’s trying softball. She’s doing lacrosse. She’s doing cross country. She’s not choosing just one. I chose one thing and I became excellent at it and I was like, she’s doing it so well. I was like, she’s meant to try all the things and he was just like, oh my God, I’m so frustrated with her not because she’s doing anything wrong which is because she’s different than me.

And so I feel like on a relational level, human design is just such an amazing tool to kind of have more compassion and understanding for those around us and just appreciation that they’re gonna do things differently.

I’d love to hear how people can work with you, how they can get their charts read, what are all of the things that you offer to support this? As most listeners are entrepreneurs and business owners, so keep that in mind, but what would be the next steps to dive into this and get deeper with it for their businesses?

So as a first step, look up your human design, humandesignblueprint.com. If you’re just like, I want to learn all the things about my design. The best place to do that is something called the Blueprint Guide, which is a 55 plus page guide all about your unique design. So if you’re like, just tell me about me and tell me about how I can apply to my life. That is the place. It’s hyper personalized, totally unique to you. There are hundreds of thousands of possible blueprints. And that is at humandesignblueprint.com slash guide and the discount code.

Human design works. And then if you’re like, I just wanna learn everything human design, then we have a lot of amazing classes and the classes will dive into how human design can be applied to business and leadership and relationships and all the things and parenting. And then I also offer one-on-one sessions as well as team sessions if you just want my perspective live on how you can use your design to find more flow in your business and also in your team. And Instagram, I share a lot for free. Erin Claire Jones and Human Design Blueprints, yeah.

Yes, amazing. Yes. Yes, yes, that’s where I first ran across you and became obsessed and then I was like, please come on my podcast. So I’m so glad that you were able to share all of that with us and I’ll make sure these links are in the show notes and you can also go to unbreakablebrandspod.com and find it in the blog post there when this comes out.

Ah! Thanks.

And I just want to really thank you for your time, for giving your energy to us, for explaining the things. This like just scratched the surface and there’s so much more on this, but I hope that for everyone listening, they can use it as a tool, because really this is about a tool to build your brand. And I think that this is a really powerful one. It has been for me. So, so appreciate your time and thank you so much for being here.

My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.