Diving deep into the connection between self-worth, body positivity, success, and how accountability in self-care can transform your life and business with Lisa Zahiya.

Bio

Lisa Zahiya is a nationally known as a business strategist and life coach who helps:

• Women cultivate lives on their own terms;
• Mission-driven entrepreneurs make more and give more;
• Small business owners scale quickly through effective digital marketing and products.

She has grown several seven-figure businesses reaching revenues of over 5 million dollars. She leverages this experience to help others pursue their dreams and has had six clients grow their businesses to over 1 million dollars in revenue.

“The foundation of change is self-acceptance. It’s letting go of judgment, and it’s letting go of blame.”

– Lisa Zahiya

Transcript

Hey there, and welcome back to another episode of Unbreakable Brands, the podcast where we dive into the resilience strategies and mindsets behind successful women led businesses. Today I have the honor of chatting with Lisa, pronouns she/her. Lisa is nationally known as a business strategist and life coach who helps women cultivate life on their own terms.

She also helps mission driven entrepreneurs make more and give more—we love that—and small business owners scale quickly through effective digital marketing products. Not only this, but she has grown several seven figure businesses, several reaching revenues of over 5 million. And she leverages this experience to help others pursue their dreams and has had six clients grow their businesses to over 1 million in revenue.

Today we get to chat with her all about self worth and success, and I’m so excited. Thank you so much for being here, Lisa.

Lisa: Thanks, Bethany.

So we met at a conference and I heard you speak at this conference this spring. You shared a really important personal story about self worth and success, and it had a major impact on me. It was so relatable and so fierce. And so, I was hoping you could start by sharing your personal journey that brought you to become a business and life coach and that piece of that story as well today with us.

Lisa: Sure. So when I was six. And I’m not going to we’re not going to do every year, although it goes from, like, 6 to 20. You’re like, wow, this is long. When I was 6, I was in school and the teacher was like, we’re going to draw what we want to be when we grow up. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what I want to do. And I drew it. I was the first kid up and I went and handed it to her and she looked at and she was like, “Oh.” And then I went home and I showed it to my parents and my parents were amazing and they were like, “you can do whatever you want.” They’re very feminist.

And I showed them this drawing and they were both like, oh, great. And it said, when I grow up, I want to be a bathing beauty and a tightrope walker. And I was like, I want to be in the circus and I loved performing and there’s all these pictures of me as a little girl with all these scarves on.

And I loved dancing. And then a year later, or 2 years later, I took a standardized test and we learned something about me. And it’s not that I’m very intelligent. It’s that I’m very good at standardized tests. So they were like, she’s gifted, you know, and so that meant you get to go on this road and this road only.

I was a child who tried to please people and I did all those things and I went to school and I went to more school and I got a master’s degree in business and I did all the things. And at the same time, I was dancing a lot and performing because I loved that. But it was never the main focus because you are a girl.

You’re a good girl who does this. I also was performing a lot. And there was this other storyline that was happening that it was like, she’s such a good dancer for a big girl. And a big girl at the time was a size eight, you know, it was the nineties, you know, it was sort of the time of Kate Moss and, you know, like, um,

Paris Hilton.

Paris Hilton, hip bones were in style, and this very like, very white aesthetic, very, you know, specific. It’s not what it is now, although still very problematic. And so that was happening too. So that also made me sort of pull back from performance because it was like, Oh, that’s great. Stand in the back.

Don’t be too big. I got a lot of your good, but you can’t gain any weight because I’m tall and athletic. And like, the thing that breaks my heart about that is they were saying that to somebody my size, even now I hear it. And I’m like, what about all the amazing people who are larger than me? Like, just in larger bodies, and when they hear you say that to somebody who’s a 10, it’s like, they don’t even exist.

So that’s my side about that. So I got an MBA, I was working as a marketing executive and at 27, I found myself miserable and I found myself divorced and I found my, from my college sweetheart, and I also realized that like as somebody who loves to do well and do good, I was doing like a very mid range job, if not somewhat poor, at everything I was doing. I had this job as a marketing executive. I wasn’t very good at it and I sort of had a personal rock bottom there and was like, forget it. And I quit my job and like, all normal people, I was like, I’m going to become a belly dancer. At almost 30, because that’s normal and a great idea and my most amazing parents were like, you know, because I thought it was going to do something else.

So, I applied to law school. I got into law school and they were like, you could go to law school later. Try it and what a gift. And then I did that. And, uh, you know, long story long, but I turned that into was able to travel the world and dance and I was able to take the thing that had hurt me and like, make it my greatest strength, which went on for a long time.

But, like, dealing with body images, I created this dance studio that was about making people feel good about themselves instead of it being about what do you look like, but just like movement can move you forward. While that was happening, I was seeing people change and I was like, oh, I wonder how people actually change.

Following that thread took me to coaching school and I became a life coach and a business coach, and I was doing that on the side with dance. And during the pandemic, the dance business ended, and I’ve been able to become full time at what I actually think is my greatest skill, which is coaching and helping people create change.

Although I still use movement in my work now, opening the dance studio didn’t just solve body image issues. I always say that. Me and food and my body was like, I used to be in a whirlpool that was sucking me down of image and my body and how it would get my way. And in fact, I think probably is how I ended up in that really miserable situation because I didn’t necessarily feel safe because I didn’t feel safe in my body.

Now, like, through the years, I’m 45, I’ve gotten far enough away from it that I can, like, feel the water moving around me, but now I’m in a space where, like, you heard me tell a story that happened at 40, only 5 years ago, but in, it’s been, like, step, step, step, step of things happening where I start to feel safer and safer and more accepting of myself.

And that has allowed for so many positive changes, but also, like, just that little feeling of the water moving around to me. Like, I would say that I have disordered relationship with food. I would also say that I’m very grateful for it because it makes me empathetic. Makes me able to help other people and it also allows me to have this thermometer of when I’m not okay, because if I get really caught up in body stuff, it usually actually means that something else is wrong and I need to take care of myself. So, I got that measure. We all have different ones. Like, some people have anxiety, but like, I’m glad for it all because it’s allowed me to be here.

Yes. And what I appreciate so much about your whole thread through is that I think automatically you would assume, Oh, okay. So she had a corporate marketing career. She has all this background in marketing. So that must be what fuels her business and life coach and getting these people to millions of dollars in revenue.

And well, that certainly I’m sure has structure in there. You have this approach of taking care of yourself, looking inward and focusing on self worth as the path to success, which is not really like a common thread amongst life coaches and definitely not business coaches to talk about that piece of things, which specifically I think affects women more than anybody, but especially women in marginalized communities. So I’d love for you to expand on that form of support. Like, how does what we think about ourselves as you’ve seen directly impact success in business and not just life?

Lisa: So I would say a few things there. The first is that my issue with traditional life coaching, and a lot of the self development world is this, like, very masculine idea of just fix it.

Get up off your and I’m like, oh, my God. But also is that it doesn’t account for trauma. And I was lucky enough when I was a fitness professional to take trauma informed fitness training and this idea that some people who are high performers do have the ability to like just go get up, do the CrossFit, do the thing.

And for other people, we need to make sure that they feel safe before they can move forward. So oftentimes I’ll say to a client, first of all, like, let’s stop blaming ourselves for what’s happened behaviors that I might not choose to keep. That aren’t moving me forward right now. Typically, we’re trying to keep me safe.

I’ve had some clients who are, which I admire so much, who are sober. Because to me, that is like one of the hardest battles in our current society that centers alcohol so much. And they oftentimes will hit a ceiling at work because they’re trying to keep themselves safe. Because they’re prioritizing sobriety.

So I’m like, how can we create growth in your business while you still feel safe? That’s just an example, but we have to include what’s happened to people. And this is where we get into, like, what has our society done by telling us how we’re supposed to look like that looks one way to me, but to a black woman, like, what have we said to them as a society that they’re not good enough, that they’re not safe?

That they don’t feel safe in certain communities, like, how could you just do this? If I’m like, all you have to do is decide you believe that you’re amazing. And then you’re going to get up and you’re going to make a million dollars. And I’m like, if that worked, it would have worked because when we all just do the thing, I think that we need to also take responsibility for what our society has done to people. I think that we need to acknowledge it and create spaces as coaches that are informed by that and create safety for people. So, all in all, what I’m saying is my hope is that my practice is always informed from a space of safety and that people need to feel safe within themselves and within communities to be able to grow and move forward.

Yes, I love that. That’s really impactful. And I’m curious on that note. So there is a massive body positivity movement, which I would think could contribute to safe spaces, but at the same time has been brought up as toxic positivity or as, um, maybe not as helpful. And I think maybe it comes from a really good place of helping women start to cultivate more positive relationships with themselves and their bodies. But I’m curious what your thoughts are on that and where it exists within your space of helping women entrepreneurs.

Lisa: First of all, two beliefs that I have are one is that change happens from the neck down. So change doesn’t happen when we think about something. Change happens when we embody something, when we become it.

One of the easiest ways to embody something is through movement. So I’m a large advocate of movement in a way that feels good to you. Here’s the issue with the Internet is that it takes something nuanced and it makes it very simplified. I had somebody get mad at me once because when I opened the dance studio, we had like a fitness challenge and they were like, I thought you were body positive.

And I was like, how is fitness not body positive? And I’m not defining fitness as a certain size, weight, whatever, but it’s because there’s an oversimplification. Humans should move. And we should aim to be healthy. We want to aim for longevity. And within that, the way to not do that is to tell people with different size bodies that they’re not worthy. You are worthy and you are amazing and you’re perfect at every size. And from there, we can choose to go into a more healthy situation. Which also is not defined by size. It’s defined by markers of health. Like right now, I started CrossFit. I won’t talk about it, although I could, um, endlessly. People are like, don’t talk about it.

Like, CrossFit’s a cult.

Lisa: I know, yeah, and I’m like, I’m a member. And I started CrossFit. I’ve done it before and this is interesting. My weight has fluctuated. Obviously, I’ve dealt with eating disorders earlier in my life as well, but my body changed dramatically in my early 40s due to fibroids.

And, uh, I had 20 tumors on my uterus that are now long gone, and it made my body change. It made me look different. It made me look pregnant. And it’s really interesting to be in that space and not be able to control it. So that’s a huge issue with body positivity, just exercise. And I was like, I’m bleeding to death. I can’t exercise. I can’t even stand up. That body actually, to me, is like the strongest body ever had because I was alive. There were nights where I’d be like, when do I go to the hospital? I don’t know. And so I’m not going to evaluate something like size or this or that.

So, anyway, I went to CrossFit. I started in the beginning of this year and I’ve sort of moved back into the body that I’ve typically had. I do a lot of fitness strong. And what’s interesting is how many people say things to me, like, wow, you’ve lost so much weight. I weigh, like, 4 pounds less than I did when I started. It’s just my body composition changed, you know what? I’d rather have anybody say to me, man, you’re strong. Why do you need to comment on my weight?

Why do I need to comment on anybody’s body? It’s theirs. And then the other thing that’s interesting is people are like, wow, you look so good. And I was like, I don’t know. I think I looked good before. Sometimes when I’m heavier, I wear lower cut shirts and, you know, because I have more cleavage, and then when I’m fitter and my body changes, I wear shorter skirts.

Like, it’s all good. Yeah, just but also it’s mine back up, you know, and also my value is not determined by that. And if somebody wants to come to me, and they’re like, I want to get healthier, and that might include releasing weight. Yes, and that’s your decision and nobody else gets to comment on it.

Mm hmm. Yes. Yeah. And I, I love that you brought that up because I see that within, you know, my circle is women entrepreneurs and women in business and it’s your clientele as well for the most part. And I see that as a really common. Encouragement maybe put out there like, Oh my gosh, you look so good. How did you do it? Are you on the shot? Like, like there’s this belief that you’re like, Oh, wow, like, look what you did. And I don’t know that that’s in any way helpful, like lifting up the other women in your space who are running businesses. You know, and what are other things you can say about what they’re doing with their work or, you know, their strength or their health or their boundaries that aren’t, Oh, wow, you’ve lost weight. You look so good. Oh, your brand photos are so stunning. I can tell you’ve, you know, been working on yourself. And it, It comes with that underline of like, now you’re worth more.

Lisa: This is the issue. And to me, I think it’s really important to go to why is smaller better. You know, like, and who said that there’s inherent racism in our body standards for sure. I mean, like, cause who am I supposed to look like? You know, there’s these beautiful, like statues of African goddesses. And like they don’t look like a thin white woman. Learn to look at different types of bodies and appreciate them. And also a bigger body, maybe just had a child, maybe a bigger body just took care of itself and like eliminated these things. Maybe a bigger body just went through the loss of a parent. So like, first of all, shut the up up. And two. It’s not necessarily a compliment and it’s worth us all investigating where did that information come from.

Yeah, that we feel like we need to put it out there as the way to lift someone up or connect with them on some level, which I think women do a lot as a connection tool.

So okay, I want to hear because folks who are listening, I can see it from this perspective of, okay, I’m running a business. I want to get to my next revenue goal. I’m taking care of myself, but I can see the disconnect of like, how does that equal this being better for me and my business growing? So what’s the line there? How can you expand on that?

Lisa: A couple of things like if you don’t feel comfortable in your own skin, are you actually going to do all the things you need to do, especially being visible? Yes, honestly, when I had the fibroids, I had a hard time with videos of me. I still made myself put them out there.

And then I had to examine why do I feel this way? Take the video, put on the bathing suit, do the thing. And to me, success means the financial success. It also means feeling good while you’re doing it to that end. I think that it’s really important to think that. I want to be successful and I want to feel good while I’m doing it.

And if you don’t feel safe in the space that you are, and the place that we all live is our own body, it’s not going to happen. I also deeply question if people are actually doing all the things they need to to be in a truly successful space. If they’re not comfortable in their own skin, which also means.

It’s not just, do you feel comfortable in your body? Do you feel comfortable, like, expressing yourself in your body? Do you feel comfortable with people seeing you?

Yeah, especially since you’re, for many folks, you are the face of your company or business in some capacity, whether that’s as CEO, even behind the scenes, you still have to show up for people in front of people as who you are.

I want to dive into accountability on that level too, because I think there’s a lot missing in accountability in terms of self care and your relationship with what we exist in, in our bodies. So how do you address accountability without going down the like life coach bro road of like, “just do it, make a list, get up at 5 a.m.” And how do we do that with respect and care? Do you have strategies in place? What are some things that you do for that piece of it?

Lisa: Yeah, I mean, I think I would start by saying that like a house isn’t gonna stay built if there’s not a strong foundation. And the foundation of change is self acceptance. And it’s letting go of judgment, and it’s letting go of blame. So it’s actually like part of dealing with things about creating change. I build that on top of this idea that I’m not broken. I could say one thing to every female woman of any variety. Is there’s nothing wrong with you, you’re deeply perfect and you’re also deeply human and you’re also not your business and you’re not your achievements.

Like, you are worthy because you’re a human and typically any patterns that we have, we can choose to change them if they’re no longer serving us. And we can identify if those patterns or belief systems came from outside of us, they came from our family. They came from a religion. They came from a society that have told us that we’re not good enough.

So we’ll buy stuff. Yeah, I choose to look at those patterns and think, like, I’d really like to be over here. I’m going to take my perfect little self and change some patterns. So I can get to that place more quickly. And it can be a pleasant experience. Because we can live in a fancy house and have on a Gucci belt and drive an Audi, but if the internal reality is ugly, if it doesn’t feel good, we’re not actually living in a beautiful place.

Exactly.

Lisa: To that end, to answer your question, my actual accountability, like my first work with people, talks about how can we shift patterns and habits to get out of blaming ourselves. So accountability starts there, and then I love to think about integrity and integrity is if somebody saw your schedule and they saw a true way that you were spending your money and your time, does that align with who you say you are?

Cause like I’m doing all this well, like, does that person look at Instagram for 8 hours a day? Listen, we’ve all been there. And then if I am looking at Instagram at all, it was a day. I’m like, you know, actually being out of integrity doesn’t feel good. I’m going to choose to understand why I was doing that and I’m going to replace it with something else.

I’m not going to blame myself. Instagram was designed for us to do that. So once I understand my own integrity, I start to build small habits of consistency, chop wood, carry water so that I’m actually showing up for myself and that feels amazing. Yeah, and so I would say accountability, build a foundation, stop blaming yourself, identify the patterns and then choose what integrity looks like for you and then build habits of consistency to get there and then acknowledge that you’re a human.

You’re a human having a human experience and realize that winning is like more than 80%.

Yes. Oh, that’s beautiful. And I appreciated what you said about attaching your worth to your work, which I think is a societal standard, but something I personally have struggled with on so many levels as someone who is growing a business and scaling it.

It is so hard to separate that for me. It was like, Oh, all of these markers, the financial markers that I’m hitting and the, you know, checking off these big milestones, like that’s who I am. That’s what I’m worth. And then if I don’t have that or, you know, revenue dips one month, I would have a complete meltdown.

Like this is the end, you know, because in that way, it meant the end of me for like how I was equating it. And separating that was like one of the healthiest things for me to do. Because then it made me ask the question, like, who am I without this? Like, if I did not have a business and, and what I’m doing in my work, what am I without that?

And what does that look like? And that led to a whole other, like, self-discovery and path of what I call being fiercely loyal to myself and like what I need and want and I’m interested in and curious about and it did reflect back in the work in that I was happier and then things suddenly were easier and happening for me without me like freaking grinding away.

I don’t know if you’ve seen that with your clients as well.

Lisa: Oh yeah. So I think that there’s two important points there. And it’s so exciting to hear somebody say that they’re able to do it. The first is like, a healthy business can’t equal a person because, you know, a person has energy. A person has life events. A person has hormones. Good Lord, like, you know, we can’t, if we touch my business to me, it’s sometimes it would be really sad. And so within that, a healthy business, that’s going to grow. Like, we need to allow it to let it exist outside of ourselves. So there’s me and even a friend of mine who’s a business coach.

She has her clients do a word of the year for you and for the business. And I love that. So Jamie, thank you. And within that, it’s also like the business has its own goals and the business has its own failures and losses. And if you look at larger businesses, like it’s never going to work if that doesn’t happen, because eventually the business is more than just the person.

And for soloprenuers still separate it. You’re allowed to be a human you’re allowed. And in fact, just are having your own experience outside of the business. Here’s the second big secret is that when you stop making the business about you, it will do better because a great business focuses on the customers.

Yes. Yes.

Lisa: So like, there’s actually in that viewpoint where we’re like, we’re all creating our own suffering and it’s hurting us because my business is not about me. My business isn’t about my words, like it really gets up my nose when people are like, charge your worth. No, charge how much your customers can pay and then deliver a great product. Take that spotlight and get out of your own ego and shine it on your clients and serve them and help them and amazing things will happen. It’s also going to help you because it stops making it about you.

Yes. A hundred percent. Yeah. I preach that all day long as a brand strategist of like, this isn’t about you. And it’s not even really about the service or the product or the thing. It’s about the end result and value you provide. So don’t charge what you’re worth, but charge for the value. Like what’s the end thing that you’re getting? Giving and or what’s the transformation that’s happening with your service, not what are you worth? Because hopefully you think you’re priceless or you get to that point where you’re that’s not even an attachment at that point.

Lisa: Yeah, humans, like, hopefully, humans aren’t worth money, because then we’re getting into, like, trafficking. And that goes into, like, we could take apart capitalism and this and that, but yes, a hundred percent. I agree with you and yeah, like stop making it about you and amazing things are going to happen. Like if you just focus on the transformation for the client, you’re going to make so much money.

You’re going to just like have people beating down your door. And I think that that’s really exciting and interesting. And also it gets out of these things that you see as a business is maturing that people have to let go of where people will say things like. Oh, I, I posted once on the Internet and nobody bought for me. Nobody likes me. And I was like, no, silly. Nobody knows. And it’s not about your feelings. It’s about the data. Like, let’s use your data to figure out who’s seen it and how we can change it and amplify it and use your KPIs. So, if you want to feel better, stop making about your feelings and start making about the client and use the data.

I got on my soapbox now.

I think that’s so important. I had a thought as you were talking about that, something that I think I see a lot. In the space and for women specifically is the feeling of being selfish for having that kind of focus on yourself and your needs and movement and prioritizing all of these things that maybe we would categorize as self care or wellness or whatever you want to call it.

And, like if you’re a busy mom and you, you’re like, Oh, I have clients. I have kids. I have the to do list and the household and all the things. How selfish of me to do all these other items that would make me feel better. Connect me to myself. How do you work with that when that’s presented to you from your clients?

Lisa: Yeah, and I just think like on a larger level, like, this is all a byproduct of this society that we live in, like, a patriarchal, like, who said I’m not allowed to feel good. You know, there’s this Victorian women aren’t allowed to exist for anything other than, like, serving men and children. That’s just a bunch of turds.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. 100 percent agree with you there.

Lisa: We can take this, like, there’s this, I think that it’s always good for us to look at the overarching, like, why is, why are we being told this? But within that, I hear it all the time and the thing I say to people is like, if you want to help women help the woman that you’re closest to she’s right there if my mission is to change the lives of women, you know, who I started with myself and I got way better at helping other women when I had enough and I had, you know, what a shit ton of money did for me.

Excuse my language. It made me safe. It made me feel safe. It made me feel secure and that made me better. And when I got into a place of anxiety or worrying about money, I wasn’t as good at my job. So take care of yourself and also like nurture the fact that you’re allowed to be happy and feel good.

Yes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it’s not the idea that it’s selfish is, it’s not. A societal idea. It’s not real or true. Maybe it feels real. I shouldn’t say that, but it’s not true.

Lisa: Correct. And if you are encouraging all your friends to take care of themselves and you feel guilty doing it, there’s something wrong.

Yes. No, for sure. Definitely. Okay. Beautiful.

Lisa: I want to say one more thing about that. This is what it’s like to talk to me. It’s also avoiding doing the work. I think that some of us are using that as an excuse because it’s really safe to sit in my little space and be like, oh, oh, oh, my gosh. I’m just going to do things for other people because that allows you to stay where you are. And where you want to go is really scary and the sun is shining so brightly and it’s like where you just get to shine and where you get to take up space and you get to not be small anymore because we’ve been told we’re supposed to be small. We already talked about that. So, like, get over yourself. Stop using that excuse and go do the darn thing.

That’s so true. I do think we use it to hold hold ourselves right where we’re at and not make a change. That’s good. I got chills when you were like, if you want to change it for the better for women, like, start with those closest to you. I feel, I feel like that is just so powerful as a statement.

Lisa: And think about what we’ve done to therapists, to nonprofit organizations where they, like, get run over where they get like in these terrible situations, and then, like, actually, if it’s studied, those people are worse at their job and they start to take on some of the issues of the clientele that they work with, because there’s no self care.

Self care isn’t just a bubble bath. It’s like dealing with your demons. It’s dealing with your shadow. It’s figuring out why you’re avoiding paying those bills. It’s like actually take care of yourself like you would take care of a child. You hug a child, but you also discipline it and you create boundaries.

So like care for it.

Mm hmm. Yes. I love that. Okay. On that note, where can people find you? How can they connect with you? And do you have any exciting new projects or things to share on the horizon with us?

Lisa: Always. My last name is Zahiya. And having a unique last name is useful because I’m the only one of me in the world. So Instagram, LinkedIn, that it’s all just my name. My website is LisaZahiya.com. I work with people in a variety of ways. I work with individuals through 1-on-1 coaching. I have both VIP days, individual sessions and longer sessions. And because I think that coaching should be accessible to everyone, I also have a very affordable membership where you get access to every digital product I’ve ever made as well as group programs. And it’s a very affordable price.

I also work with companies doing speaking and organizational development. I have a program called Do It Scared, which is about helping leaders move through fear and become better leaders. And I’m always doing retreats, things like that. So that’ll all be on my website and some exciting things that have coming up.

I’m about to start a new course for the 6 Figure Circle, which is my membership, which is called CEO Camp, which is about becoming the person who can do it. The other thing that I’m so excited about is that back when I was a dance teacher, I was a dance teacher at a Longtown foster care home. And I learned that when kids go to college from foster care, they lose support from the system because they age out and they don’t have anybody to pay for their college supplies.

So I’ve been doing that for some kids every year, but I’m, I’m starting a nonprofit so that my company and my goal is to get to a thousand kids a year.

Oh my God. That’s exciting. Yeah. I love that. That’s exciting.

Lisa: And the other thing I just found out is that when kids come, like, I, I’m the college sponsor for a child from, uh, I went to the Caribbean and I, you know, I like, I’m like a golden retriever.

I talked to everyone and I was on the island of Tobago and I met a young man, his name is Keith Lee and he got a scholarship to the university of Buffalo. It’s exciting. And, um, I’m his college sponsor and, but we’re getting him some coats and stuff. Cause I was like, his parents can’t support all of that.

So just always like passionate about making sure that other people have the same opportunities that we had.

Yes. Oh my gosh. Cool. That’s beautiful. Okay. And I’ll be sure to link everything in the show notes for Lisa Zahiya. And of course you can just look her up on Instagram and you’ll find all of that and get involved with her and her circle and her work.

And I just want to thank you so much for sharing your time and your energy. And I love our conversations that we’ve had together and what you bring to the table and how considerate you are of humans for their change and growth and how vulnerable you are about your own story. So thank you so much for being here with us.

Lisa: Thank you. Um, what a pleasure. And thank you for having this space.